Come Follow Me: 1 Nephi 13-14

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Nephi’s vision seems at times to border on the genre called apocalyptic [link to all my posts and podcasts talking about genre]. Apocalypses came up recently in my first post on Revelation. The genre is important to recognize, because understanding the genre determines how we understand the information presented.

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For example, apocalyptic tends to be binary. As McKenzie says of apocalyptic,

“In this view of the world there are two domains- good and evil- at war for the hearts and souls of human beings. Every person and every institution belongs to one or the other of these domains.”

How to Read the Bible: History, Prophecy, Literature- Why Modern Readers Need to Know the Difference, 141.

This dovetails nicely with the statement “there are save two churches only” in 1Ne 14:10.  That does not mean Our Church is Good and Everyone Else’s Church is Bad. Rather, that kind of category supersedes membership records, and “church” in these ancient texts is not equivalent to Church/denomination.

Stephen Robinson, one of the most influential Latter-day Saints to get a PhD in Biblical Studies/New Testament (Duke, 1978) wrote an excellent article on these two chapters. The article is here, with a shorter version in The Ensign as well. See his comments about apocalyptic and the differences between these two chapters.

Now, a related issue. Latter-day Saints inherited a Protestant  tradition  the Roman Catholic Church was evil, the so-called “Whore of Babylon” of Revelation 17-18; Latter-day Saints then took that “knowledge” — not understanding the nature of apocalyptic genre nor Christian history—  and read it in to 1Ne as Nephi’s “Church of the Devil.” Robinson addresses that directly, because it just doesn’t fit what the scriptures say.
This is an example of overclaiming, making a strong claim that is not established by the actual evidence. A recent Church training manual gives descriptions and examples of over claiming.  Elder Oaks tells a story here about being careful not to overclaim, and stick with the limitations of the evidence.

Good scholars understand the limitations of their own fields, and their conclusions are carefully limited to the areas of their expertise. In connection with this, I remember the reported observation of an old lawyer. As they traveled through a pastoral setting with cows grazing on green meadows, an acquaintance said, “Look at those spotted cows.” The cautious lawyer observed carefully and conceded, “Yes, those cows are spotted, at least on this side.”

For more on this issue, see

  • Encyclopedia of Mormonism, “Great and Abominable Church”- Link.
  • Mike Ash, asking “Is Roman Catholicism the Great and Abominable Church?”- Link

13:12, Columbus, and Tradition 

A second example of tradition and overclaiming is the identity of the man described in 1Ne 13:12, “I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles,”

Long Latter-day Saint tradition has read this passage as being about Columbus, and spoken very highly of him. Of course, tradition and dogmatic repetition, while culturally powerful, matter much less than revelation.

“Dogmatic assertions do not take the place of revelation, and we should be satisfied with that which is accepted as doctrine, and not discuss matters that, after all disputes, are merely matters of theory. Your brethren, (Signed) JOSEPH F. SMITH, ANTHON H. LUND, CHARLES W. PENROSE.”

Messages of the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 6 vols. [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1965-75], 4:264-65.

Now, if President Monson cites Hinckley citing Hunter citing Joseph F. Smith citing Brigham Young, it carries some weight. But if Brigham Young didn’t get it from revelation, that weight is much less than it would be otherwise; it’s repetition of tradition.

President Smith in 1910

 

 

President J. Reuben Clark and Elder Joseph Fielding Smith had some issues with each other. At one point in 1946, Smith  accused Clark of rejecting the scriptures, because Clark believed the earth was very old.

Clark replied to Smith,

You seem to think I reject the scriptures, or some of them. I do not intend to do so, but obviously I am no more bound by your interpretation of them

President J. Reuben Clark, Jr.

than you are by mine….

Now, as to what the earlier brethren have said–where they have declared themselves as speaking under inspiration and by the authority of the Lord, I bow to what they say. But where they express views based on their own understanding and interpretation, then none of us are foreclosed from exercising our own reasoning powers, inadequate though they may be; but the earlier views do not foreclose us from thinking. This is particularly true, where we come to interpreting their interpretations. 1I have seen the original of this letter, and the one from Smith it is responding to, in BYU Special Collections 

These two citations apply, I think, to many things that LDS (and some leadership) have received as authoritative doctrine, but not examined closely. (See especially the statement by Joseph Fielding Smith in my post here about the philosophies of men, mingled with Monopoly.)

On the one hand, it’s true that many of LDS leaders have interpreted 1Ne 13:12 to be about Columbus, and that should be accorded some weight. On the other, all that scripture says here is that there was a Gentile, separated by the waters, who was wrought upon by the Spirit of God to cross the waters. That’s very little detail to identify someone.  Columbus is the obvious answer, but is he the best answer? Is he a revealed answer or merely a traditional one?

Columbus certainly saw himself as God’s messenger to “the isles of the sea” the means of bringing the Gospel, kept a journal of prophecies and so on. His name means “christ-bearer.” On the other hand, he also caused an awful lot of pain and destruction in enslaving natives and committing atrocities, and was not terribly Christ-like. These two things can coexist, as God can and does make use of awful people. We need not venerate and sanctify Columbus and ignore the evil he did. Notably, the text says nothing about the character of this Gentile.

The man in vision, however, is not necessarily Columbus, but potentially Bartoleme de las Casas or someone else.  I strongly recommend

Some other things about Columbus-

Tidbits:

  • Is John’s name a problem in 14:27? Yes and no. John is an anglicized form of the Greek-ized form of Hebrew yehoḥanan or ḥenanyah, “Yahweh has shown favor.” Someone of that name shows up several times contemporary with Lehi, in Jeremiah 28, so the name would certainly have been familiar to him. Of course, prophesy could also show Nephi names he didn’t know. The real problem is that he seems to be talking about the Book of Revelation, attributed to “John,” and there were many Johns in the New Testament. Tradition has said that this John is the son of Zebedee,  the Beloved disciple who also wrote the Gospel of John. However,

    from early times it was recognized that there are difficulties in that assumption, notably with respect to the differences between the Revelation and the Gospel. The issues were clearly stated by Dionysius, bishop of Alexandria in the third century…. He adduced three reasons for the latter position.

    First, the author did not claim to be the Beloved Disciple, or brother of James, or an eyewitness and hearer of the Lord, as John the Evangelist did; many Christians had the name John, and there were two Christian leaders of that name in Roman Asia and two tombs in Ephesus that were acclaimed to be the tomb of John.

    Second, there are many contacts of thought between the Gospel and letters of John, but the Revelation is utterly different from both: “It scarcely, so to speak, has a syllable in common with them.”

    Third, the style of the Gospel and letters is different from that of the Revelation; the former are written in excellent Greek, but the latter is often ungrammatical and uses barbarous idioms.

    Dictionary of the Later New Testament & Its Developments“Revelation, Book of.”

    The primary issue is assuming “Book-of-Revelation John” is “Gospel-according-to-John John”, that appears to be over claiming.


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10 Comments

  1. Allison Sullivan

    January 28, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    The words of life from our Lord and Savior, and God the Father, and through the Holy Spirit to prophets and apostles are the most valuable. We can only take knowledge with us. Brother Benjamin has studied very long and hard and shares that knowledge at no cost upfront to us. If you don’t agree with Mormonism, Christianity, or theology as a whole, that is your right. But you denigrate a very learned man and all of us with your analogy. I have already received great dividends on my investment in scripture study and read this blog to gain more “pearls” of wisdom all the time from someone more versed in ancient scripture at the doctoral student level as well as in his life well-lived to be worthy of the blessings of the companionship of the Holy Ghost and more.

  2. Had you looked at the blog at all, you might have seen that I spent the last two years working through the Bible along with N.T. Wright, John Walton, Peter Enns, Nahum Sarna, Luke Timothy Johnson, and a variety of Christian and Jewish scholars. It does not reflect well on Protestants to make drive-by comments manifesting their assumptions that Mormon theology or adherence is largely due to Mormon ignorance.

    • Thanks for the reply Ben. I had a Calculus professor who allowed me to work on a problem that I nailed…at least, I thought I did. Anyway, my encouragement to you is to discover the freedom and grace found in the NT as I have. It’s a freeing and empowering experience, and there is nothing else of any graduated value above being one with Christ. I understand the lens of tradition, and doctrinal gymnastics, but once held to the lens of the Bible…well…that’s the journey, if you truly are interested in discovering truth?

      • So coach, what was your beef with how the mainstream Christian scholars that he quoted with regards to the New testament last year interpreted things?

  3. My Canadian neighbor (in Bountiful UT) emphatically stated that Nephi’s ‘Gentile’ is in fact John Cabot.

  4. Thanks for pointing out that the unnamed person whom the s
    Spirit worked on doesn’t have to Columbus. It was a little (read: unbelievably) frustrating to see that stated unequivocally, without any citation, sources, or authority besides itself (which now makes it seem like the official Church stance) in CFM.

  5. I like the possibility that De Las Casas could be the reference. I had never considered him before.

    • benspackman

      January 22, 2024 at 8:29 am

      I think most haven’t; most probably assume “well, duh, Columbus, because who else could it be?”

  6. Ben, your link to the Russell Stevenson article doesn’t work anymore. (Unsure why Rational Faith appears to have removed it.) I found the link using the Wayback Machine, though—absolutely worthwhile read! You might point people there.